Thursday, April 20, 2006

Why don't they just keep 'em chained up in the kitchen. Barefoot of course.

Some people have been taking comfort in the thought that even if some states do criminalize abortion, women who live in them, and are in need of one, simply have to go to another more enlightened state to get the procedure performed there.

Setting aside for a moment that this penalizes poor women, who often have no means of transportation, certainly can't afford an airline ticket, and can't easily leave a job or kids they may already have for days at a time, we might also now want to consider what will no doubt be a growing movement by the anti-choice crowd: the punishment of women who do cross state borders to get a legal abortion.

A law has been proposed in Ohio to do just that. The Chillicothe Gazette reports:

“Ohio house bill 228 introduced by Tim Brinkman, R-Mount Lookout, in April would make it a felony for a woman to seek to terminate her pregnancy and holds the same penalty if she chooses to leave the state for the medical procedure.

Additionally, anyone who helps coordinate an abortion or transportation to leave the state for one could be charged as well.”


Think about that. You're pregnant. You live in a state where abortion is illegal. You have an opportunity to cross over the state line to get the procedure at a medical facility. But if discovered you could be punished - fined, jailed?

Is this America any more?

The bill is apparently stuck in committee, as it may be too much even for some anti-choicers. It also likely would not stand up to an appeal if a women is actually prosecuted under it. Not to mention, how the hell could it be enforced? Would they actually expect people to spy on their neighbors and report that a pregnant woman disappeared for a few days, and then came back not pregnant and without a baby?

But it shows the mentality of the neanderthals behind the increasing movement in this country to steadily chip, chip, chip away at women's rights and return them to second-class status.

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think I'm going to avoid the entire midwest and south in this country from now on just to be safe.

Anonymous said...

Did you notice it always seems to be men promoting these laws to ban abortion? I know there are women in the pro life movement. I dont want to give them any ideas, but you would think just from a public relations issue they would have women out front more when they are proposing rules to affect women like this.

Anonymous said...

What part dont you understand. If we are to make the killing of babies illegal, as we will, then what sense does it make to allow someone to slink across a state border and have the horrendous act done in the next state? The would defeat the whole purpose. Murder is illegal in all 50 states, and one day the murder of the most innocent will be too. And to sarah, yes the pro life movement is filled with wonderful women AND men, but the men are often the ones in position of power to pass the laws we need and Thank God for them!

Anonymous said...

Sarah, it is the typical patriarchy system that these fundamentalists believe in. They seriously believe the woman, the wife, has to "submit" to her husband. Most of them don't even think women should be allowed to have careers outside the home, so they don't see anything wrong with the government being totally run by men, and that all laws should be passed by men. They think that is the natural order. It's scary that that's the way they eventually want this entire country to be. Abortion is just the first step.

Anonymous said...

To Bally107, I'm sure you find it just wonderful that men are the ones in power who can pass laws to restrict women's rights, but let's make it clear, you don't speak for all women, you don't speak for the majority of woemn, you don't even speak for any sizeable amount of women. No matter how you position it that things are going your way, and maybe they are here and there, the polls show the American people overwhelmingly do not want to ban abortion rights. And yes, murder is illegal is 50 states. That's got nothing to do with abortion rights.

Anonymous said...

I am not a fundamentalist. Why is believeing that the killing of an innocent life is fundamentalism? It is just plain humanity. And to grey goose, the facts are that men are the majority of lawmakers in the country. That's not wishful thinking on my part, that's just the way things are. Deal with it. And I don't know what polls you read, but the ones I see show that more people are coming to understand the horror of the millions of babies that are killed every year for your anything goes society where you can do whatever you want consequences be dammed. It may not happen today or even tomorrow, but eventually abortion will be banned in this country. But dont worry hun there will still be plenty of other nations you can go to to get your baby killed if you want that. Just not here.

Anonymous said...

To bally 107 - screw you!

Anonymous said...

Grey Goose, don't let Bally 107 get you upset. She likes to come on here and sprew forth hate and make stupid arguments that do nothing to make anyone consider her arguments seriously. I think she's actually damaging to the pro-life side, so let her carry on with her ridiculous made-up polls and her name calling.

Anonymous said...

Aww did I burst your bubble grey goose and make you think of somthing other than your own selfish needs? Good.

Not a hipster said...

So Bally, when are you going to have the nerve to answer the question I've posed to you several times? What do you do if a man rapes his daughter and she becomes pregnant? Answer that honestly, and maybe, just MAYBE people might start to take you seriously. Until you can actually debate people instead of spewing religious intolerance around, I take everything you say as pure entertainment value.

Not a hipster said...

Yeah, that 13 year old girl that's pregnant with her father's baby is really being selfish. What a whore she must be. Maybe she DESREVED to get raped, huh Bally? We must punish her for not wanting to give birth to her own sibling!

Anonymous said...

You know what bally 107 - you don't seem to be a normal person like ANYONE I know even though that's what you like to pretend when you do comments. I hate to tell you this but I will, we don't care about your fundamentalist viewpoint. You can say over and over that its "millions of babies" being killed but its not but you can say whatever you want. I think the sad thing is those of us who have a serious argument about any subject have to react to people like you!

Anonymous said...

I work with innumerable victims of child abuse and people wanting to be "Big Brothers" or "Big Sisters". One of the psychological tests we give an applicant is:

Name 10 adjectives for children.

8 out of 10 times a child abuser will say "pure"!!

Leslee Unruh and her purity oriented husband have outed themselves by being so obsessed with other people's private parts -- especially children's!

A man "gazing" into his daughter's eyes? And enjoying the talk about her virginity? Why should a little 7-year old child have to be subjected to something so serious in such a vein as to humiliate her???
She should be talking with her mom or some other female authority figure. NOT A MAN!!!
Unless, of course, he has his own plans for saving his little princess!

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